Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. --Napoleon. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. Before warning him, the What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." He wasn't positive. > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? >>What else could he call it? But then, Ziegler's 'explanation', his retconningof past events, only serves to further propel Bill into subjectivedestitution, another 'replay' of Bill's unmasking at Somerton, Zieglerpower-presiding over Bill's position and status at a red pool-tablemuch like Red Cloak presided over the power ritual on a red carpet atSomerton. I think the voice would have rung a bell and the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so he was in shock. (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. Was she the women at the party?" The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one Being "all a Charade," doesn't mean it was all a dream. I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. Is that how > you> would describe it? > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? Mandy was not the same woman. Amazing. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. No, it was just set up that way, as a puzzle, so that there would beendless discussion. > the same time, being simple and concrete. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. Was she the women at the party?" Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:47881976$0$11015$4c36@roadrunner.com "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the slightest. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. Statanic mass? but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. at the> ceremony/orgy. This is still a mystery. Those critics of EWS must have been delerious. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" Please either stop > or> shape up. No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. What a joke to call them "philosophers." And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. Imay bewrong, but I think Kubrick intended it that way. When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L." wrote in message. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. at the ceremony/orgy. WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. ", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIXuHaaz5iU, > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. Statanic mass? Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? The goal of yoga practice was to STOP all that useless babble---because that is how a person actually makes the breakthrough to see reality as it is. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom EWS was potential. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Indeed, the film iscentrally concerned with the failure of a 'male-centric' andpatriarchal ideology to deal with female desire; and the narrativethrust of the film revolves around Bill's increasingly hopelessefforts to flee from (but also to copy and avenge) Alice's desire, adesire from which he is completely excluded, just as he is laterexcluded from the desire-space of the power-elite at Somerton. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. andpleading with her to take off her mask? http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? Perhaps it> would have worked better if there had been a photo in the news> article. ". Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. However, the lack of one may have saved the life of gangster Vincent (Mad Dog) Coll (various movies). Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad > Take another listen. >on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >him. at the > ceremony/orgy. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. How doesshe know this? In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. Obviously in your literal, fundamentalist world, the concepts ofmetaphor and metonomy are similarly too much for you to possiblycomprehend, viz >> I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. Please either stop orshape up. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. Weve got a beautiful feminine version of the lead mask that features a baroque pattern and crystal embellishments, as well as a feathered mask similar to the Orgy? ", "I saw her body in the morgue. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. In keeping with the filmmaker's quest for perfection, the shoot for Eyes Wide Shut famously rolled on, with the movie holding the record for the longest consecutiveshoot, as filming began in late 1996 and wrapped in mid-1998. What a joke to call them "philosophers." Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. Eyes Wide Shut: What The Mask On The Pillow Means, Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best, The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story, Why Pirates of the Caribbean Producer Wants Johnny Depp Back, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics. That is a possible explanation. >What else could> he call it? OT. Is that how youwould describe it? WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. Given that you have, as you already admitted, absolutely nounderstanding of the terms used or indeed the context in which theywere used, your pedantry is now exposed as pure and contemptiblefraudulence. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. Poor Clark. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. But he can't know for sure (because she wasmasked at Somerton). >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. Statanic mass? Indeed, he appearsthoroughly confused: later with Ziegler in the poolroom, he asks, "thewoman at the party is the woman lying dead in the morgue." It was in the trailer or a TV spot. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. > <<<<<<< after> visiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanation> indicated. news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Given how upset she appeared following his confession, it's very unlikely she knew exactly what he was out doing, however. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. We could say that even Nick was in on it and the phone call to Nick in the Jazz club was a set up to pique Bill's interest, even letting Bill knows the password. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. <<<<<<<<. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). Lets look at the basic plot of this film. Somerton could hardly be >>>>>> described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? I never siad Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when we study it. I actually had to look that up. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. (Just like we dream alone, even if we're in bed with someone else.). How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. The Daily Planet may go under too. and> pleading with her to take off her mask? i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. I am ready I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. ", "Victor what can I say. ANSWER. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. andpleading with her to take off her mask? -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. :>I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film. That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). It's just idiotic. 0. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. WebThe bodies of more completely nude masked women assail Bills voyeuristic eyes (and those of the audience). "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. 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