My typo error corrected (w210 ===>w201). Time laps build of my 190e 3.2 M104engine swap,mercedes,190e,mercedes 190e engine swap m104.942 test,mercedes-benz m104 engine,w201 m111 m104 190e mercedes s. This BMW E46 has spent the past two years being built by VRP Fab in Lublin, Poland for drifting. Originally It uses a V6 e not a straight 6, right? Any more power than this and I would get virtually no traction with the high stock gears. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. I saw one real nice one on the web that had a AMG 3.8 in it. it isnt a direct swap. You will need to reclock the alternator by removing the screws holding the 2 halves of the alternator together and turning them to match how a 190E alternator looks. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v Read More Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six 1994 Mercedes Wagon with a Turbo LSx - Part 14 July 9, 2018 W124 The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. Another 500e wagon is born: Silver / Gray | High-Performance Modifications, Imperial Red 500E Wagon Build | High-Performance Modifications, SOLD - 1995 E420 Special Edition, Brilliant Silver/Gray, 113k, $4900 (Tampa, FL) | 400E / E420 Cars for Sale. I guess a V8 it sorta out of the questionand seems kinda pointless. __________________. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. What engine can fit into this car? Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. When you find one, buy it. Hi i'm looking for some information on swapping my w201 (2.0 automatic) for a manual 2.8 m104. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. ya dont destroy a 5-speed sportline. This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. Find a decent but cheap 400e or a very cheap 500e and bite the bullet on cost upfront and invest the time to make it 'good'. One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. Mine isn't an LE though, just a 190e sportline. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. A solution to fix this is to use the M104 A/C manifold (104 230 04 56 is NLA, aftermarket solution: Four Seasons 55586) and have both hoses custom made. 4 bangers can be quite powerful.. VIN: WDBEA34EXSC224807 FIN: WDB1240341C224807 Engine no. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? In order to use the M104 CIS intake box, the supply line must be swapped. Navigation Menu . you really should join the 190 forum (sorry, i don't have a link) as Learn how your comment data is processed. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. Aftermarket is obviously with the LS. Mrten competes in a special 2003 Mercedes CLK we first covered in 2015. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. Ive heard opinions that Toyotas 2JZ was heavily inspired by this M104 series, which came out a year before the 2JZ (and ofc the earlier M103 and M110 series from the late 70s). We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. I generaly like motors bigger than4cylunless they are turbo. I think mine should run 14's no problem at the track. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. 1975 W116 280S - SOLD 1994 W124 E320 Coupe - Gone CURRENT - 1974 450SEL s class W116 Addict Posts: 4,213 I'll keep the 116's, the rest can go Location: Squeezing 3 W116's into a double garage Logged #1 19 August 2010, 12:38 PM Lower hose is only about 20cm long. Is there a cross reference for this or is the ebay special the best bet? The team also includes mechanics Christopher Reinholdsson, Robin Carlsson, Stefan Engstrm, Jesper Jumisko, Edvin Olsson, Joel Haglund, and media/spotter Sebastian Simonsson. His forum name is SG Motorsports. I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. I remember seeing an AMG 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back. I think you meant steering box/column from a w201 (not W210) W103 is what you meant. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. and the other thing you have a mercedes not a honda or a toyota if you want performance and the tuning spirit get a honda.. these cars arent really geared toward performance and to modify them for it will cost you some change. Is it possible to have 5-speed w/ this engine? Team Lovetap is a Swedish drift team started by driver and fabricator Mrten Stngberg. I believe the lotus elan used a turbocharged or supercharged 4 banger which produced nice power. All new control harnesses would need to be fabricated for all of the car's systems and the battery and cables run to the trunk. Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. I owned a supra before this car and miss it. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. You must log in or register to reply here. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. However, The flywheel is going to be a problem for you. Black striped white vacuum line for throttle body, Remove overflow pipe to coolant reservoir, Wiring under both headlights and loom ties, Bolt on driver side securing pipe to chassis, Disconnect supply and return lines on pump, Return behind ignition coil, 17mm and 14mm, Disconnect main engine wiring and set aside, Disconnect auxiliary wiring and set aside, Cruise control servo (8 pin connector under ABS pump), Crankshaft position sensor (front) underneath X92, Disconnect exhaust downpipes from exhaust manifold, Disconnect transmission shifter linkage(s), Suggest removing entirely to avoid bending the rods accidentally, Disconnect transmission slave cylinder fluid line (manuals only). Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. Each wheel is turned by upgraded axles with modified knuckles and BMW E34 hubs. Maybe a steering unit from a w210? I believe the engine carrier would need to be modified. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support. I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. If you really want to get speed though, deff change the brakes. If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? Learn how your comment data is processed. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? JavaScript is disabled. I have a friend who had a 3.0L from a 300E in his 190 and it was pretty quick too. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. Sweden for a dyno tune. The flywheels and driven plates (for the automatic) have large metal ridges that trigger a sensor for the ignition system. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Another option is to swap in the CIS version of the M104 engine found on the earliest M104 powered cars (1990-1992 300CE and 1990-1993 300SL). Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. Mercedes w203 Engine Swap "The Plan" (Pt.1) M271|M104|M111 Ricer Benz 4.27K subscribers Join Subscribe 143 Share 10K views 2 years ago M111 turbo Video link :. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. Is there a worthy replacement for the 190E 2.6. Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. It barely sticks now when floored. Probably $15k min, but you'd have a torque monster that'd be just as interesting (or more) than a V8 S124. Bolt starter to transmission later. Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. all that accumulated grease and oil. Install without transmission. i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. torque using the old KE Elctro-Mechanical Fuel Injection like that used on the older m103 Inline 6. The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. These are the prices for the 95 E320 two years ago: $575.00 124 440 56 32 (early model run) $714.76 124 440 29 33 (late model run) You can type in these part numbers (or the number on your current harness) on FastLane to determine the current prices. JavaScript is disabled. Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. As, If the OP sends me a container with subject vehicle, m119.970 + donor 400E and $25k I can make it work in a few months. Your original gearbox will work fine with the new engine, but bear in mind it's much easier to remove the gearbox and engine together than separate them in the car. MBWorld member Gen3Benz had the ambitious plan of stuffing an LS1 V8 motor under the hood of his W201. This Mercedes W124 300E called Blueberry is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. It replaced the M103 and was replaced by the M112 V6 starting in 1997. The car has been completely rebuilt with upgraded suspension, brakes and drift-spec steering. There are two approaches to getting the wiring completed for this swap. As a side note, the block has over 150k on it and the bores are still within a thou of origional specs, there are no ring marks at the top and you can still see the factory cross-hatch. If you want a really nice one, I'm guessing it will likely end up in the $4-$8k ballpark. Wow, Thanks for all the info. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. M119 upper engine harness - how to rewire temp plug? And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. Power will be greater with an LS swap. haha, no worries! Yup, that's John's car. Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. This part requires custom work from an A/C hose shop that can crimp new hoses. Well, I am right with you. Originally Posted by Kestas. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. My M104 is a 99 hfm. Quote: Originally Posted by oldsinner111. Engine Swap Depot. The work in the trunk involved installing a new fuel cell, fold-down radiator, expansion tank, and tubular structure. Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. Not needed anyhow. The secondary firewall and motor mounts are also positioned differently to accommodate the extra length of the M103. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. The W124 has the connection point closer underneath the brake booster line and is about 5 inches shorter. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. Only 100 cars like mine ever imported into the US, really, I don't know, can anyone cite accurate numbers? 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